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About zhan zhuang and silk reeling

August 8, 2006 · 13 Comments

I came across the following question and answer at a Chen style site and I thought it was worth mentioning.

Where did zhanzhuang and silk reeling exercises come from?

Zhanzhuang and things like starting position, closing position and silk reeling exercises are a relatively new additions to the Chen style syllabus. Its not that they didn’t exist before, its just that they were taught in an ad hoc way before.

Before, everyone learned Tai Chi from a very early age, so if you wanted to teach someone about the internal aspects of Tai Chi, you would ask them to hold a single whip so you could correct the qi flow. Nowadays, because a lot of people start at an older age, and because they don’t have the physical endurance that working a field by hand gives you, holding a single whip is too complicated and physically demanding, so you tell them to hold a zhanzhuang posture instead.

The same goes for silk reeling exercises. The Chen form is just one big silk reeling exercise, so if you have been doing it all your life and you have constant access to an expert, it is not necessary to teach isolated exercises. Moreover, because you would be so familiar with the form, insight into the underlying meaning would come. Today however to allow more people to understand the form, silk reeling exercises have been created to assist teaching.

As for the starting and finishing positions in the form, if you live in a quiet farming community it is not so important to calm the mind before practicing. They would start the form by simply standing still for a moment, and then go straight into it without the up, down, left, right arm wave you see today.

Most people don’t seem to know when the standing and silk reeling exercises were invented nor why they were invented. Many just assume that they were always there and being practiced. Not so.

This is a good quote because it makes the relationship between the standing and silk reeling exercises, the form, and the lifestyle of the Chen’s much clearer. But notice how it goes against perceived wisdom. Notice how the Chens were farmers with strong bodies who didn’t need the “crutches” of standing and silk reeling. Working in the fields provided a lot of ENDURANCE, so they could just hold single whip and have it corrected. They didn’t need to hold zhuan zhuang postures outside of the form.

Notice that they didn’t rely on their taiji form for physical exercise. In fact, it was the other way around: their physical endurance that was gained through working in the field was expressed in their taiji.

Interesting.

Second, if the proper foundation of strength and endurance are there along with proper teaching, then standing meditation and silk reeling practices aren’t really needed. In fact, I’ve heard that those things came about because the Chens were “encouraged” by the Reds to develop those things so that Chen style would be easier to learn. I think memories of the Cultural Revolution and how the Chen village was sacked were firmly in their minds when they were being “encouraged.” 

Taiwan Chen style reflects the older way of doing things in that form practice gets a greater emphasis and things like standing and silk reeling outside of the form are rarely practiced. Now, I’m not really against standing or silk reeling practice – those two things are very imporant IMO. But I use them as a laboratory to explore the different movements and powers (jings) found in the form. I don’t use them so much for conditioning. IMO, that’s what the form is for.

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13 responses so far ↓

  • Q // August 8, 2006 at 2:22 pm | Reply

    I’ve actually been suspecting for a while now that the farmers didn’t need tai chi for strengthening. It seems a lot of the strenuous postures are really dangerous for older people living a modern sedentary life. The manual labor also makes a lot of internal feelings clear where as most modern people just don’t know what the teacher is talking about. My tai chi teacher told us before that he knew the secret of why a lot of the farmers are so good at tai chi. They have no life (by our standards). There’s no TV or basketball, so tai chi is actually entertainment. He once saw a guy fajin on the tail end of the spear where the tail actually shook, with the holding hand being only a few inches from the end! That was not a famous master, at least not famous in the West. I’m not even sure CXW can do that.

  • Q // August 8, 2006 at 2:23 pm | Reply

    Oops, forgot to mention that the actual modern “silk reeling” exercises were developed by Feng Zhi Qiang. He seems to be the 1st one to create a system that the rest expanded upon.

  • silkreeling // August 8, 2006 at 3:47 pm | Reply

    These are ways meant to help people with different lifestyles from that of a farmer living in the 18th and 19th century. Even with these 2 aids, i feel there is so much more you can explore in the form. Get the feeling first in these 2 simple exercises and the treasure door of the form will reveal itself. Nonetheless, a good observation about chen style being practiced by farmers in the pre-beijing era.

  • wujimon // August 9, 2006 at 9:11 pm | Reply

    One things I’ve often thought about is whether or not the physical conditioning is required for most chen forms to be effective? Again, this relates back to the chen have wide stances and hold their ground and can b/c of strong back/shoulders from farming. Was yang or other higher stanced styles developed differently b/c they had to find a way to be effective without the conditioning provided by farming?

    I consider this b/c I seem to note a lot of chen apps focus on using the back and you almost kinda have to be a big guy to really make this effective. On the flip side, the yang set seems to generally always keep their opponents in front of them and hand the apps with the hands. Again, this could be attributed to yang being more focused on one-on-one battle, whereas the chen village stuff is focused more on calvary type of battles. Just something to throw out there and think about.

  • Tom // August 10, 2006 at 6:15 am | Reply

    Chen Xiaowang told me that the PRC government directed the development of chansi drills in an attempt to standardize taiji training along the lines of a physical education curriculum. This was the same impulse that led to the creation of standardized wushu competition forms and the Beijing Yang 24 form (for mass teaching). He said that “traditional” training of his father and grandfather did not use chansi exercises.

    Feng Zhiqiang mentioned that Chen Fake, his teacher, would sit quietly doing chansi movements from the form, while listening to others converse. In other words, he was continuously practicing. Feng made a joke about doing this kind of practice without being too obvious (he mimed an exaggerated chansi move and made a funny face). Q is probably right, Feng may have been the first well-known teacher to systematically include chansi drills as a formal part of his curriculum.

  • chessman71 // August 10, 2006 at 9:41 am | Reply

    Wuji,
    That’s an interesting observation about Yang style apps. It may sound a little cynical but I wonder if ….ahem….bodyweight might have something to do with it. Think about it for a minute. Maybe I’ll post on it if I dare. Hehe.

    Q and Tom,
    Thanks for the additional info on silk reeling. Feng seems to have the best set of silk reeling exercises out there. Has anyone seen his VCD on it?

  • wujimon // August 10, 2006 at 11:17 am | Reply

    Chessman,

    I dare you :) Actually, I’ve often thought about martial arts and overall health, especially in regards to taijiquan and that elusive “qi belly” ;) hehehe

    Also, in regards to Feng on silk reeling, Joseph Chen has videos on his site demonstrating the huanyuan silk reeling exercises. Quite a bit different than the ones that Chen Xiao Wang teaches.

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  • Tengri // September 12, 2006 at 12:48 pm | Reply

    What exactly did they farm in chen village? Please dont say rice. There is no way you gain any strength standing in cold water all day. People need to study more chinese history and TCM concepts. The chen village mythos is dead. Put a fork in it.

  • chessman71 // September 12, 2006 at 1:33 pm | Reply

    Quaint. I’m not really sure how the “mythos” is dead. But if you’d like to elaborate, I will listen.

    BTW, if they did plant rice (as I suspect they did, among other things) then the work would have been really labor intensive. It would have involved a bit more than just “standing around in cold water,” don’t you think?

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  • stanton // February 23, 2008 at 6:57 am | Reply

    Chen village harvested wheat so as an agricultural village, they had the strength and fitness to incorporate within the family style. Modern practitioners are often sedentary, hate physical exercise so they need to be more fit to accomodate any taijiquan!
    Chen more than others because it is more physical.

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