Formosa Neijia

Buying a taiji sword, pt. 2

June 17, 2006 · 10 Comments

The first post on this subject is here.

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After a lot of shopping around I finally bought the Adam Hsu jian. (The blade distortion above is due to me resizing the pic. Click on the pic to see the original.) It was a big decision for me and I looked just about everywhere in Taipei. Getting a quality sword for a decent price here is difficult, as you know if you have read the first entry I wrote on this topic.

I finally settled on this jian for several reasons. Number one, the construction looked really solid. It obviously wasn’t just thrown together quickly. There is no give between any of the parts, everything fits together solidly. That’s a major consideration if you want something to practice with instead of just look at.

Second, the price was right for the quality. I did find a nice hand-made sword from China that is either this sword or a similar one.

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However, this sword above was a bit more expensive. Just a little over US$1000. I was a little unsure about buying it, but a quick mention of the price to my wife was all I needed to be nudged in the direction of the Adam Hsu jian. I was reminded that junior would like to go to college one day. :)

I didn’t know that my long fist teacher actually helped Adam Hsu with the design. They studied long fist from the same teacher at the same time. So me buying the sword actually helped make my relationship with my teacher a little closer. Although, he told me that he could have gotten it cheaper for me. Sigh. Oh, well.

So some things that he told me about the Adam Hsu jian that I didn’t know:

1. The blade is actually designed to make a sound when you swing it with sufficient force through the air. The blade is actually shaped a certain way to facilitate that. The reason is that you can tell where your force reaches its peak by where the sound peaks at. I tried it and he’s right. If you swing it with force but your focus in the swing is too far to the left or right, then the sound will let you know that. If the opponent is directly to the front, then you would want the sound to peak directly in front of you. I thought that was pretty smart. He swung a cheap Chinese reproduction for me and it didn’t have the sound even though he swung it pretty hard. He said this would hurt sword training.

2. One thing that worried me about the sword was the downward hilt design. The day I brought it in, my teacher gave me some simple drills to practice at home. One of them was to stand with the sword out at a 45 degree angle and practice circling forward and back from the wrist. I noticed that when I did the back circle, the hilt hit my wrist and I immediately thought of all the people that said “do not buy this sword!” for that reason. Since my teacher helped with the design, I asked him about that and he said the sword was letting me know that my form was off. He said that I needed to loosen my grip a little and not grab so tightly. He’s told me many times that jian is about finesse not brute strength and when I made the correction he suggested, the techinique worked great.

3. The blade does lock into the scabbard a bit, but it’s not an actual lock. It’s more like a tight fit. He said to be gentle with the final push of the blade back into the hilt. Another bit of finesse.

4. The sword bag that comes with it was designed so that the blade will not slide around, damaging the scabbard. So if you get the sword, be sure to get the bag as well. It was especailly made for the sword and fits perfectly. Much better than the other sword bags that I have.

Training with the sword is great. I really like the grooves in the handle that let you know where the blade is in your hand when you hold it. That was another improvement over the Practical Taiji Jian, which is the predecessor of this model. My teacher’s sword technique uses lots of small movements and requires pretty sensitive fingers. In fact, some of the movements are similar to using the baoding balls in the same way that the balls roll around in your hand. The grooves let you know if the edges are up and down or facing left to right when you manipulate the handle.

I’m really happy with the sword so far. The only thing I don’t like is the fact that it’s unsharpened and judging from the bluntness, it would take a lot of work to put an edge on it. The tip, however, is sharp. My teacher told me that he and Adam Hsu spent a lot of time with Han Wei using sharp models to cut bamboo in an effort to get the blade design right. If only they sold the sharp models instead! Too much to ask, I guess. But then they were trying to make a really good practice sword, not a blade for cutting.

I should say something about my teacher’s sword style. He competed in Western sword fencing a long time ago with his jian techniques. He is really tight and precise when he cuts. His own sword is quite light to reflect that style of sword play. I mention this because people wanting a heavier sword for lots of big swinging motions may want to look elsewhere.

Since I bought the sword, my teacher told me he would start me on the san cai jian next week. This form is basic to the long fist style but is also used as the taiji jian form by the Sun family. So I’m really excited to be learning sword finally. I’ll post my thought on the training as I progress.

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10 responses so far ↓

  • Peter Dekker // August 28, 2006 at 5:18 am | Reply

    Hi,

    First of all, thanks for mentioning my site on your log, and posting the picture I made of this sword!

    About the sound that the Adam Hsu jian makes, all good jian have that. It’s a result of the shape of the cross section that the cheapest ones just don’t have. All decent swords do. Although I understand you’re happy with the Adam Hsu jian, I should comment that it’s not a very historically accurate design. This is also the reason why I don’t let myself in with all the Hanwei types of swords.

    I own a number of antique jian, and stick with jian that came close to these. Because who knows better how swords should be made, than the people who fought wars with them? For that reason, I can’t stress enough how important it is for all sword makers to stay close to historical designs. Especially because the masters that formed the style also used Qing era swords, and so the art was formed for them. The tendency to light swords came in the 1950’s when the communist party wanted to reform martial arts to make them less dangerous.

    Good luck with your training! Hope you don’t take this wrongly, it’s just my view I wanted to express.

    -Peter

  • chessman71 // August 28, 2006 at 8:43 am | Reply

    Peter,
    Thanks for the comment and welcome to the blog! For the price that I was able to pay, the Adam Hsu jian came the closest to an authentic jian as far as handling goes IMO. But then my opinion is based on limited experience with only a few blades. The closest thing I could find to a so-called true jian was some of the handmade blades here in Taiwan, but the price was a bit beyond my reach and I wasn’t in love with how they handled anyway.

    I found one jian that matched the description of yours from your website, that’s why I mentioned it. But I couldn’t tell if it was the one you make or not. Are your swords available in Taiwan?

    In the end, I figured I would be just as satisfied with the Adam Hsu jian. I’m happy so far.

  • Formosa Neijia - Exploring Taiwan’s Internal Martial Arts » Fake swords: don’t be a victim // October 16, 2006 at 10:06 am | Reply

    [...] I understand that people want this stuff and that good swords are hard to find, but people who call themselves martial artists need to put a little more effort into their education. It’s much better to buy a modern reproduction IMO than it is to buy an obvious fake to train with. Some modern reproductions like the Adam Hsu jian that I reviewed are specifically designed for practice and will hold up a lot better than these fakes. [...]

  • Andrew // February 6, 2007 at 3:01 am | Reply

    hello,

    I am looking for a good tai chi sword for a long time also – I like the Adam Hsu sword too but am also concerned about the downward hilt design and the side holds (thumb and index fingers) that are sometimes required in the form. Where do you hold the sword in these side holds – on the backward pointing “knobs” or the actual guard leading to the “knobs and last not least how comfortable and functional is this hold compared to the traditional “lionhead” guard. Thanks for your reply – looking forward to hearing from you.

  • MA Miller // October 25, 2007 at 9:51 am | Reply

    Hi ,
    I stumbled on this by accident while trying to learn more about Jian swords and learning the techniques. Now I have very little experiense with swords. I own several or diffrent kinds. I’ve always hace a fascination with the sword since I saw somw old japanesse films. But the japanesse sword(which I own several) Never did mesh well with me. But while watching the show Avatar: The Last Airbender. In the 3rd season one of the main characters learns the way of the sword which funnily enough was the Jian and I think a off take on the Yang style. Well needless to say I was entranced. Now I know it was just a Tv show and an animated one at that. I have to say Iam really interested in learning it. Now I went online and did some research. But I just don’t know where to begin or what would be a good sword to buy or what books I need to buy to study. Oh and theres no way I can actually find someone to train me as Iam in northern Japan and in the Military so I cann’t just up and leave. But Iam a dedicated individual. And when I say I want to learn something I put alot of hard work into it. So If any of you could help me out with this I wiould appreciate it. Thank you

    Sincerly,

    MASA Miller, Clinton S.
    U.S. Navy

  • Susan // March 10, 2008 at 11:45 pm | Reply

    I have been studying sword for 4 years and am lucky to have an exellent teacher. I happened to see the Adam Hsu sword when a fellow student purchased one. I started of with one of the “fake” swords.It was all I could afford at the time, I am definitley saving up to obtain a Adam Hsu sword.
    In reference to MA Miller, I find that books alone are hard to learn from.
    I was surprised to find that by Googling Tai Chi sword, there are sights that show demonstrations and on line classes. It may not be the ultimate learning experience, but it could help you out until you locate a teacher.
    (its also easy to develop bad habits since there is no instant feedback)

    Thanks for the opportunity to express my opinion,
    Susan
    Chicago

  • Satsuki Shizuka // March 16, 2009 at 11:45 am | Reply

    Hi;

    Just wondering – how different is ths Hsu sword from the CAS Hanwei Practical Tai Chi sword? Judging from the design dates, I’d say that the Hsu design was just a minor variant/knockoff of the Pr.TC sword, but there are subtleties that a JPG just can’t deliver.

    Ever tried one of the other swords before, and how different is it?

    Juni, owner of a Hanwei Pract. TC sword
    Toronto

  • Hansen // April 16, 2009 at 12:47 pm | Reply

    Folks, You are paying too much for a sword. Way too much. The very excellent taiji swords in China sell retail for ~200RMB. That’s between $30 and $35.

    Don’t get ripped off just because you are a foreigner.

  • Evgeny // June 2, 2009 at 12:10 am | Reply

    I have a question, guys!
    Liked the review, but as nice as the sound is, I am more interestedin the flexiblity of the jian.
    I am looking for one for my Tai Chi. And I want it to be as Yin as possible, i.e. soft. I can not find anywhere anybody mention the flexibility.
    Any comments anyone?
    Sent me an e-mail at etkolev@prodigy.net.
    Thank you.

  • Josh // September 26, 2009 at 5:24 am | Reply

    As for your concerns with the sword not being entirely sharp – a Tai Chi sword is not a broadsword and is not meant for hacking and slashing. Traditionally it is a weapon of finesse and precision – never utilizing force-against-force (as in all traditional kung-fu), the tip does all the damage. If you try to wield a Tai Chi sword in a “sword fight” and slam it into another sword, it is not going to stand its own ground. You are typically deflecting blows and parrying, cutting your opponent to ribbons with small and precise cuts and stabs in vital points, all with the tip (think along the lines of fencing but much more lethal). If you study the Yang family forms, you will see how all the movements incorporate this way of thinking.
    Good luck in your training.

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