I'm learning taiji sanshou (not the form) from a teacher in the Chen Pan-ling lineage. The format is private lessons and after class this morning, I was thinking about just how much of this stuff depends on personal, private transmission from teacher to student. This simply isn't the kind of stuff that can be taught effectively in a group class format, much less in video format on DVD, etc.
Learning how to use peng, lu, ji, etc. in a fighting context depends at this level on a lot of small corrections that must be made on an individual basis. A small angle or the lack of enough pressure in a certain small area is enough to prevent the technique from being as effective as it could be. The feedback required to attain these skills is immense. I need constant correction on small details to find the holes in the opponents' defense while hiding my own. Only a teacher can really address these problems.
I remember fighting with my choy lay fut teacher during my four years of training with him. He fought with me and used that medium to train my body. I have never lost those skills because his corrections were thorough and painful.
Getting push hands and sanshou from a teacher is really the only way to acquire these parts of the art. They are more personal IMO than forms work because each person has their own strengths and weaknesses that a teacher must help a student develop. Without that hands on experience, I doubt that students will get this material.
Many teachers say they expect a student to develop this themselves, but that is a copout. What is really being said is "don't bother me with this." Using taiji and other IMA at this level is NOT something that can just be figured out by a hardworking student. I work hard but there's no way I could EVER figure out the type of stuff I'm being shown. There's just no way. It's too complex and far too subtle to grasp the power by yourself. At best, a hardworking student would wind up with something crude but perhaps effective if left to their own devices.
So this brings up the necessity of private lessons at a certain point. My Chen style teacher told me once that taiji eventually becomes very personal and it must be transmitted personally from a teacher to student in a private format. But then that means that the teacher MUST be willing to teach private lessons and the student must be willing and able to take them. That doesn't always happen in my experience.
I have asked other teachers in the past for private lessons and was given ridiculous prices. I remember asking one teacher here in Taiwan about fees and he said group class was free. What about privates, I asked. He said private lessons were $3000 NT ($100 US) per hour. I got the hint real quick: take the group class, I don't have time for privates. Other teachers I know won't teach private lessons at all, even to people that have studied with them for years. Teachers do this for a variety of reasons. Maybe the art is something commercial to them (this is VERY common) or they feel tired of putting in the time to train people privately. Private lessons tend to be very intense for teachers and students.
So if you're learning from someone who refuses to teach private lessons, even to advanced students, be very careful. You may be getting a not-so-subtle hint that higher skills are not on the menu. It may be time to go teacher shopping.
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Shang Lee // June 12, 2006 at 11:02 pm |
Thanks for this wonderful article. I’ve been debating internally whether I should go down the private tutor route because of the “noise” I am finding in group classes. I came to the same conclusion that the small corrections are difficult in a group setting. And it’s these small corrections that (i find) is most important to learn to really understand tai ji. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.
Taking private lessons - shang lee . com // June 12, 2006 at 11:46 pm |
[...] Chessman wrote a very interesting article on personal transmission in Tai Ji. I’ve always suspected that some things are better, or sometimes only, taught personally rather than in a group setting. I’ve heard stories of how other teachers learn and the better ones are those who just practise with their teachers on a daily basis. However, there’s a constant internal struggle on whether I should go down this route. The hotly debated points boil down to the following: [...]
silkreeling // June 13, 2006 at 4:36 am |
100 USD per hour is the going rate for well known teachers, although i have not taken any private lessons myself.
private lessons means the stakes are up for both teacher and student or it could ve viewed entirely as a commercial transaction.
Aboroth // June 13, 2006 at 6:57 am |
I’m curious to hear what you guys mean by a “group class”. I have been to 2 different kinds. One where the teacher teaches everyone the same thing and the class progresses only when each and every student has grasped the current material. These classes I find, are great for getting beginner material (form, structural principles) to the students because the main problem beginners have in advancing in skill is not practising what they have been taught. So, if everyone is forced to do the same thing over and over again it has a better chance of sticking. That said, this kind of teaching is the worst thing a teacher can do for their more advanced students. A teacher I know lost both of her best students last year because of this kind of teaching.
The second kind of group class is much more personal, these classes have students of all levels in them and are usually longer than the first example (2-3 hours). In that time the teacher moves between individual students or groups and teaches them according to the level they are up to. I have found it easy to get those little realisations by asking questions or clarifications when it’s my turn with the teacher.
I’m sure that private one-on-one classes are better for the student than the second example I gave because the teacher can show you more but just how many different concepts can you memorise and understand in one class?
When a student is learning something new (as I am learning Da Lu at the moment), I think the most important thing is repetition. So that for next time they come to class they have something that can be corrected, instead of having a poor understanding of the concepts behind it (which, really, can only be understood through experience). If I had daily one-on-one classes with my teacher for the first 6 months I can imagine that the only word coming out of his mouth all that time would be “RELAX”, to which my initial reaction would be “HOW!?”. Because I know it took me 6 months of daily practice to start to get a feeling for what it means to “RELAX” (and now he often stops saying that word and throws in some other teaching
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I think you are right in saying that the best thing for a student is for a teacher to be constantly paying attention to them but, at my level (beginner), I feel that it is impossible for the student to keep their mind on all they should be doing. And it is only through experience that they can “internalise” (call it muscle memory if you will) some concepts so that they don’t have to think about it and can pay more attention to another concept.
I’ll tell you if anything changes when I become an “advanced” student
chessman71 // June 13, 2006 at 8:16 am |
Good thoughts, everyone. I agree about “noise” in group classes. I’ll talk more about that over at your blog.
The $100US rate is extremely high here in Taiwan. You have to really know what is being said to you when you talk about this stuff with teachers. I could tell from the tone of voice and the price, that the answer was “don’t ask.”
Aboroth, I’ll address your other thoughts in another blog post.